I feel like a lot of board games are traditional games. E.g. there is an explicit win condition and lose condition.
But what if you just want something a bit more relaxed? Like building a world or civilization with some friends?
I feel like tabletop RP games have this down, although the majority are character based. Like, let's have a story about our OC's going on an adventure.
But what if I want something more rigid, like 7 Wonders, but with a more relaxing goal (e.g. have fun, have a cute civilization, have over 1million people without anyone in poverty, etc.).

@TipsyTentacle yeah but people like winning

@Pasty depends on what winning is defined as.
In D&D, it's a successful adventure, which I guess almost always means everyone survives. Maybe the game objectives can be that simple: SURVIVE.

@TipsyTentacle D&D isn't a board game though
it's for different people than board games are

@Pasty True.
I am not a tabletop RP-er, but I am not sure I want to RP a character so much as nations?
Maybe I can just play some random Diplomats RP.

@TipsyTentacle what's that game that you play for an entire day called
Diplomacy?

@Pasty Yeah, but Diplomacy is all about war. Diplomacy (in Diplomacy) is basically "Hey, let's not fight this turn and gang up on Austria". And then either finding out your trust was wellplaced or misplaced.