Hardcore punk artists were very familiar to the dishonest presentation of punk music in media, and rather than push against it in an overtly political way, they drifted into more insular territory, small venues, largely abandoning association with regular punk. they're hardcore. And through this, the spirit of punk that post-punk had tapped into to create more interesting music, was instead being developed further in more brutally honest expressions of emotion. Which these expression in hardcore led to the creation of emo, which is the same thing as hardcore etymologically, but even more personal and cathartic.

Anarcho-punk took the more direct opposition to what punk music was supposed to represent, by actively attacking it, culture jamming, and going forward with brutal honesty pertaining to the sociopolitical nature of music, punk, the industry, etc.

Pop punk forming as a genre was much of the opposite. It kind of embraced the commercial, corporate catchy side of punk, and over time, its image of being controversial and subversive was entirely erased, and now the world is just now expunging the poison Vans Warped Tour has injected in the ears of Gen Xers and Millennials. Nothing wrong with the style itself, but the way it inhabits the industry.

@Mirzaba and post-hardcore? :^)

@a_breakin_glass post-hardcore is more of an offshoot of an offshoot, hardcore. It has a LOT of point and purpose because the hardcore punk scene just got sooo tired that it was far less interesting to listen to new bands in the genre. It was a welcomed change of new experimentation imo. Especially artists like Drive Like Jehu and Fugazi and stuff. Though some more commercial friendly post-hardcore bands have created a wave of Vans Warped Tour friendly slick radio stuff that sounds a little weird, like Letlive and shit. I like post-hardcore a lot also because it's super adjacent to emocore bands I listened to as an angry teen.

To summarize everything I said in all of these long posts, mainstream punk ruined everything, punk is dead, and people who actually had passion just developed better iterations and expressions of the garbage fire left by Sid Vicious and his posse of market psychologists.

Also Lydia Lunch is a piece of shit, semi-related

According to the guy who effectively kickstarted the emo scene in DC, (even if he wasn't really the first or not), Ian McKaye, hardcore and emo are the same thing to him. Why? Because emo is about raw deep expression of emotion. This is how a lot of hardcore punks would describe hardcore music. Though over time emo as a thing developed a more different range of sounds. It wasn't until bands like Jawbreaker, American Football, and Sunny Day Real Estate got sorta-popular to where punks went like, "oh i guess its not really the same thing and it is stylistically different enough"