@Ratttz Now of course, I personally agree that the golden rule is pretty decent. I just don't think that's an objective truth. And yes, some things are more easily agreed upon than others - I think we can pretty much all agree that we'd prefer it if the world were more as we prefer it, for example. (That's basically a tautology.) But that doesn't make it objective.

And yes, I know this basically puts me in exactly the position you were complaining about, holding objectivity as some universal truth. But, at least for the moment, that's where I stand. I don't think that anything two people can agree on is objective. :/

@Angle "Objective, on the other hand, means not influenced by personal feelings or preferences." No, that's the common vernacular use of the phrase.

I'm referring specifically to objective facts of consensus reality, which is fundamentally a different thing. Within this framework, moral axioms aren't created ex nihilo, but are consequences of social relations.

I agree that there can be no moral axioms from first principles, but that framework sucks.