I feel like I'm going to need to find more/go into a bit more about using an urban landscape in magick.

Like, the Urban Witchraft tag on Tumblr was a lot smaller than I was hoping, so I'll just think about some stuff surrounding it

@spiderrobotpig Whatever you find about this, I will be interested in. So much 'urban paganism' stuff I see is 'well here's how you can manage to do nature-based stuff even if you live in the horrible debased city' which... no. >.<

@indi I know I've reblogged some pretty good stuff, and I'm trying to look into Tech Magick as well given that they are linked.

Some stuff was mentioning like, line up your banishing spell with trash days and grab cool shit off the ground.

Mostly stuff like this, which is why I feel like I need to help fill in the gap haha

https://samanthasgrimoire.tumblr.com/post/162170946930/city-witch-100

@spiderrobotpig Yeah, I was just looking through that stuff and there's some good stuff in there, diminished only a bit for me since witchcraft isn't exactly my style. :)

@indi Yeah, I totally get that haha

@spiderrobotpig A bit of synchronicity, by the way, from something I reading just last night that made me do a hell-yeah.

From Phil Hine's "Techniques of Modern Shamanism, Volume 3" (http://philhine.org.uk/writings/pdfs/tbfv1.pdf):

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"We don�t seem to have a magical approach to the complexities of city-life. We�'ve hardly begun to touch the psychic complexities of urban living; how it affects us and generates weird elementals and semi-sentient nexuses of energy. It seems to me that we spend too much time searching for a connection with the past, whilst doing our best to ignore that we are hurtling at breakneck speed into the future."

@indi Damn that's good.

I need to read that

@indi I wonder how much more Modern Shamanism type stuff there is, that seems incredibly fascinating tbh

@spiderrobotpig TBH it's kind of a mess, broadly speaking. When you go looking for 'shamanism', most of what you find will be gross appropriative new-age-y stuff.

But for me, the base approach and worldview makes so much sense that it's worth sorting through the crap.

@indi Yeah, super not a fan of the appropriativeness of shamanism in general, which is why I've mostly avoided it?

But it does give me the same feels that Chaos Magick does, so I definitely need to be able to look into it without stealing from First Nations tbh

@spiderrobotpig The things that feel best to me are the ones who are willing to roll it back that far (e.g. neolithic practices), or to actually take just those core spiritual technologies and apply them in new ways without having to call out to other cultures in search of validity. Phil Hine is a pretty major chaos magic figure, so he mostly does the latter, and does a pretty good job of it.

@indi Yeah, I had thought the name sounded familiar haha

@spiderrobotpig There's a lot in common between chaos magic and shamanism in general, so it's no surprise that Phil Hine is writing about it. It's like... remember what I said about it all going back to animism plus trance states? Chaos magic is basically rooted in just focussing on the 'trance states' part of that (gnosis, etc).

@spiderrobotpig The reason that doesn't work for me is that I ended up with the animism stuff, the spirit-world experiences for lack of a better term, before I ran into any of the rest, so hearing Chaos Magic treat it all like it's psychological effects or constructed servitors feels pretty bad to me ALSO.