@pnathan @sydneyfalk yeah fucked-up "moral" systems are definitely a problem, but just as the material conditions in the US (a majority-christian country) encourage some of the most evil strains of Christianity to thrive, the material conditions in Cuba (also a majority-christian country) or even those of the social democracies in western Europe seem to discourage those particularly harmful strains. we really can come together as a society and decide to be better, if we want to.