do fans of the D language say "I want the D"???? 🤔

@grainloom TIL I'm a fan of the D language

@a_breakin_glass @grainloom
Honestly, everybody who uses go should just switch to D.

(I'm not 100% sure the same applies to rust. Maybe like 60-75%?)

@enkiv2 @grainloom I think rust kind of has an edge over D, perhaps

@a_breakin_glass @grainloom
It might. I haven't been able to glean specifics from rust fans about what makes rust worthwhile, other than "it's pointer safe" which is super common even in compiled languages these days.

@enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass linear/affine/whatever typing is not at all common, I know about maybe 3 practical languages that have it and only one is used widely: Rust

plus, it has no runtime, has traits instead of classic OOP, has a powerful type system, has iterators, so you can write functional style code.... and that's just what it already had at 1.0

it also has generators now (not sure if it's in stable)

oh, and a nice package manager

@grainloom @enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass I'd summarize some of those points by saying Rust takes the best lessons from the last several decades of programming language research on how to help programmers write modular reusable software. Many of those lessons are not complicated (sum types and generics are so incredibly useful and mostly very simple ideas) but the careful design to incorporate them all into a single language is important.

@jamey @grainloom @enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass me, I've always thought the best way to make reusable software was to write up your algorithms in pseudocode so anyone can use them

@kara @jamey @grainloom @a_breakin_glass
Pseudocode is just a poorly-defined language that nobody really knows how to unambiguously interpret. I prefer to avoid it whenever possible.

@enkiv2 @jamey @grainloom @a_breakin_glass Fortran then

@kara @enkiv2 @jamey @grainloom Functional Fortran when :^)

@a_breakin_glass @enkiv2 @jamey @grainloom well, worked for "Numerical Methods"!

my point, put across in a semi-joking manner, is that "reusability" as currently defined is a suspect ideal, at best

reusability should be achieved by coming up with universal abstractions that can exist _apart_ from code

reusing the code itself is merely an expression of that universal sin of computer geeks, valuing mere convenience

@grainloom @jamey @enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass the end result of chasing that dubious prize is what we see today

shit like node.js and Electron

write once, run anywhere! *bitter laugh*

@kara @jamey @enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass Or do it like Plan 9 did and just write small native C programs that play together nicely, instead of coming up with new platforms to port things to. 🤷
It's portable across CPU architectures and you don't even need things like WASM.

@grainloom @kara @jamey @enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass c really works best when all you have to consider is one compiler & os & hw combination

i really wanna meet the person who set the rumour into the world that c is a portable asembler language