alright i switched back to chrome from firefox, those scrollbars were just too much
@nightpool (softly) what am i looking at
@lycaon firefox's bug tracking "Style the scrollbar (binding ::-moz-horizontal-scrollbar to XBL)"
filed *17 years ago*
@nightpool holy shit
wait wait it gets better.
you ready?
@nightpool @chr @HTHR oh my fucking god
@lycaon @HTHR @nightpool the original comment opening the issue suggested that firefox should support it in order to be compatible with IE...5.5
@chr @HTHR @nightpool back then the web was just tim berners-lee running around from house to house collecting notes written on index cards
@nightpool @chr oh my GOD
@chr @nightpool the kinds of people who comment on firefox bugs shouldn't be allowed to make software
@lycaon @nightpool joke's on all of us they've been making software for the last 20 years and look where we are now
@chr @nightpool yeah. that's what's bad about software, exactly the people who shouldn't be making it are the only people who make it
@lycaon @chr @nightpool mm you called?
@lycaon @chr I actually feel kinda bad for not quoting that guy's whole comment, it's not *that* terrible https://cybre.space/media/3_LJa1n5ZYgshAjxPRo
@lycaon @chr @nightpool Do not be cutesy with your app and violate the platform's HIG was a big deal around that time. Especially for Apple, but also for Gnome 2.
Of course, today, people don't think of scrollbars in the browser as part of the browser's UI, but part of the page in the browsers canvas.
@gcupc @chr @nightpool yeah, it really seems like "scrollbars for elements within the page" and "the scrollbar for the whole page" should be different things
@nightpool @lycaon @chr @HTHR fucking slackass mozilla devs, that bug has still got plenty of life ahead of it if they just let it be, no reason this one couldn't hit 50
@djsundog @nightpool @lycaon @chr @HTHR up to FF56 you can use add-ons to style it, which i have
i don't miss it in ff57 windows but i imagine it looks worse in linux. i hear ff is just worse-performing in general in linux, sadly
@alyx @djsundog @nightpool @lycaon @HTHR looks pretty good on mastodon with a dark GTK theme actually but then everything else looks like garbage because no one expects gtk themes to be dark in the main part of the UI
@theZacAttacks @chr @HTHR @lycaon @nightpool @djsundog @alyx so, Kubuntu has a dark theme installed by default.
It makes settings menus in all default apps invisible.
@wxcafe @impiaaa @theZacAttacks @chr @HTHR @lycaon @nightpool @djsundog @alyx see this is why I gave up on themes entirely. I just put up with win 95 looking shit the rare times I do use a non browser GUI app
@dn3s @alyx @djsundog @lycaon @HTHR @chr @theZacAttacks @impiaaa @wxcafe
haha.... yeah..... windows95 looking shit.... hate that
https://cybre.space/media/sb27NW7j4zcwaYCi_K4
whoops where did that screenshot come
@nightpool @wxcafe @impiaaa @theZacAttacks @chr @HTHR @lycaon @djsundog @alyx I mean, that is initially why I joined cybre.space :)
@chr @alyx @djsundog @nightpool @HTHR yeah it looked super hideous for me, hence me switching back to chrome, where things fucking work
@nightpool @lycaon @chr @HTHR to talk about the bug: I never even thought about this cause I disable scrollbars everywhere on every fucking browser forever. But it's so impressive that they managed to keep this bug open for so long that they're now moving to anyther extension format altogether...
@lycaon Like, I *know* people care about this kind of thing, but the fact that they do never fails to make me angery.
@gcupc why? people like things that are nice to use and look nice. all the time when I am using the software I am by definition looking at it and using it. given how much of my time is spent using, say, a web browser, it really shouldn't be surprising or upsetting that the thing that matters absolutely the most is how it looks and how easy it is to use. everything else, and i mean *everything* else, comes second.
@lycaon It's an irrational anger, subtype "this is why we can't have nice things". Also, capitalism.
the reason most people don't bother with foss is that all the stuff that foss people say "doesn't matter" and "you get used to it" about is actually the only reason people use anything