@Lioness Oof, okay. I haven't had much faith in, that area of stuff, psychologists and whatnot. You're saying they can help and there's treatments and I believe you, and that's encouraging.

I think sleep specialist is a thing you know a little about? I know there are sleep studies, but I don't know if that's the same thing.

@kitsch @Lioness keep in mind a state-appointed psychologist (one working in a mental hospital) isn't obliged to have a relationship with you--one you find and appreciate actually honors your needs and situation, afaik

@kitsch sleep specialists are the doctors who order sleep studies, same way any other doctor orders medical tests

I'm not that familiar with sleep medicine as a whole; just a bit about sleep apnea since that's what I have. In my case, it means that w/o using a breathing aid, no amount of sleep is enough to be restful and I was permanently exhausted. There are other causes of fatigue, ofc, depression being a major one

@Lioness ohhhhhhhhh !

@kitsch as far as drugs / medications go, there's a lot of different classes of drugs that all do different things. Broadly speaking, they tend to be effective when prescribed by a doctor. Different people react to different things - gene testing can help - so there's often some trial and error involved, but most of the time people end up on something that helps them.

@Filene Thank you for this

@kitsch (Also, if you *happen* to be in the Seattle area, I know a good therapist who moved there earlier this year. He used to be my therapist...)

@woozle Having troubl producing a response to this but Thank you for the kind words, and for the offer to bounce impressions