@listelian I'm also going to do something really silly but typical of me here and blame "Babylon 5" :p well, not _blame_ it exactly, but point it out as a example of something that I first really started to notice in the '90s, which was turf wars between bands of competing nerds defending commercial properties. Straczynski deliberately courted nerd fans on Compuserve and then Usenet, playing up the superiority and sophistication of his product compared to Paramount's, and helped create a nasty fan schism. And that sort of thing's only gotten worse.