@ghost_bird thats starting to smell like america first tbh

@MightyPork We've got right-wing authoritarians in government, so yes. Though there are significant cultural differences between GB and US ideas of patriotism and national identity.

...but not much debate, because of a shared assumption among MPs and Lords that "we all know" what British values are. Shared cultural IDs revolved around:

- The importance of the World Wars where "people died for our values". (Death as sanctification.)
- The Magna Carta as the symbolic "cornerstone of democracy". (It isn't, so any definition can be attached.)
- Non-existent "issues in Birmingham" as proof of the failure of multiculturalism.

#NineWorlds

@ghost_bird yeahh the world wars and the (insert city here) is super common. In BC in Canada we have WORLD WARS and BUT THERES GANG VIOLENCE IN SURREY (a mostly less wealthy, mostly east indian/middle eastern population as well as working class whites, so that's a fun mix)
In the states its (from what i can tell) WWII and also CHICAGO OH NO
yikes yikes yikes.

@Keltoi GANG VIOLENCE IN SURREY sounds very different from a UK perspective, where it's wealthy white commuter-belt.