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People like to ask "what makes you think that x is conscious?"

My reply is: "what makes you think that *you* are?"

@starkatt ‪...what do they say?‬

@fae this is, so far, only a hypothetical conversation :p

@starkatt that is a shame, the subjective experience of consciousness is one of my favorite metaphysical conundrums 😜

@starkatt most of the time it's hard to even convey to ppl why i consider it a conundrum :-P

@starkatt a descriptive specification of the universe gives a ~satisfying explanation for the origin of living beings that behave as though they are conscious and even describe themselves that way, but i get hung up on the gap between that and the actual subjective experience. the external phenomenon is ~explainable but i find myself unable to fully rationalize the subjective sensation.

fae @fae

@starkatt this tension makes me quite curious about people's answers to "what makes you think you're conscious" ^,^

@starkatt i think this is related to the chinese room argument except that when i read about that i found the reasoning both unpersuasive and kind of infuriating

@starkatt it fails to convince me that consciousness, insofar as it exists, cannot be experienced by a machine

(it also seems so premised on a mishmash of assumptions and question-begging that it's hard for me to even extract the core argument, so i may be missing something :-P)

@fae Oh, I have absolutely no reason to think that consciousness can't be experienced by a machine!

@starkatt no i know, i don't think we're disagreeing about anything in particular right now ^^

@fae @starkatt my take on the chinese room experiment is that the structure of the room has the knowledge and understanding. just like the cells in our brains don't understand shit, they're just operating the system that does