distelfliege @distelfliege@witches.town

@kartoffelsalat wenn ich sowas sehe, dann denk ich.. auch wenn es bei uns in #berlin je eine "fahrradstadt" gibt, viel will das in D ja nicht heißen.

wenns selbst in münster so läuft.

@natanji I would have loved to be able to skip religion classes too 😂
but there were too many catholics in my region.

@natanji oh.. that's interesting.

and it's also interesting that for all it's content supposedly being so open about different religions, it can't even be visited by students from a different sect of the same religion.

religion is so weird.

in the first time of my life I'm watching an art class video and I'm thinking: this is bad. super bad technique. Just watching this makes me want to throw all my art supplies away and stick to knitting. 🙄

of course that's not how it works, but sometimes I can't help to think it would be a healing experience for people of the religious majority, if they just for once would get not considered at all.

the discussion about religion I started yesterday sometimes has me thinking: just get rid of it all together period, goodbye!

no gods, no masters

@natanji just curious.. when you were in school, and you went to confessional religion class, where did children of religious minorities go in that time?

when I was a kid they just had no class at all and were sitting in the hall or in the schoolyard, or later on when they offered "ethik" class, the minority kids had to attend that. but they only offered this neutral class when we were old enough to opt out of christian religion classes.

so the classes and the timetable was made with only christian students in mind. everyone else was just neglected.

@natanji hm. as long as people don't actually start to pray or do religious rituals in class I don't really care so much. and you said "practicing a faith in school" and that creeped me out.

while I personally think what you suggest is a bit much, a bit over the top, that's just my personal taste. I'm not in this discussion for writing education plans, I'm not a teacher and as long as everyone is respected and no religion is presented as "the right thing" and as long as being non-religious is respected *and taught as well*, I don't mind.

@natanji yeah, but I said repeatedly that it is about christian church privileges.

@natanji I have to keep reminding you that I originally was talking about separation of churches and state.

I also have to remind you that I said it is okay for me to teach about religions and philosophy in public school.

what is not okay is precisely if one particular religion, say the FC Bayern München, gets to teach *their* faith in public schools and the state pays for that.

that is a privilege of the church of FC Bayern München and should be abolished.

now replace FC Bayern München with "Catholic church" or "Protestant church" and you have it.

good night witches!

@natanji my question was not "where else" but "why at all"?
why is learning about what others' teach not enough?

as an adult I got those offers and I have participated in various different religious rituals of different faiths, I'm very glad I didn't have to do it as a kid in school with *my* classmates.

@natanji I guess that would be fun for children from religious minorities.. not.

the schoolyard bullies can learn their rituals and prayers first hand to mock them even better. 🙄

@natanji I still don't get why *religous practice* is necessary for that.

@natanji we weren't talking about *finding out about religions and what they teach* so I'm asking again: why do kids have to *practice* a faith in school? what's the deprivation if they don't?

@natanji the practice of which faith?

@natanji where are the options of atheist children to be (respected as) atheists in your scenario?

@natanji I think this is super weird.. sorry, but *practicing* faith in school? it creeps me out.

for me religion is really something super private and I wouldn't want to practice that in front of other people, let alone people who don't share my approach. and in school? no. fucking. way.

and I wouldn't want to *have to* participate in any religious rituals.

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why can't people practice their faith in their religious communities?

plus: atheists of all ages get plenty of opportunity to explore religous practices if they are interested.. I don't know where the deprivation is.

@natanji that's against the freedom of religion to have no religion.

@candle oh you're right it only shows if I click on the toot..