@naimoe read my toot again please, i haven't said that. I said that AI used to be unable to find an international consensus for any unconditional right to choose abortion.

@distelfliege Okay, I hope I understand this. 😅 But how does it relate to the question why they build their campaign like this? Is it: “They don’t have a consensus on an unconditional right to abortion. So they are making no campaign for it. But they seem to have a consensus for a right to abort “severely and fatally” impaired foetuses”?

I am against aborting based on characteristics of the foetus (like impairment or genitalia).

@naimoe @distelfliege I don't know exactly but could imagine that it's simply grasping at straws to at least allow facilities that enable abortions to keep existing - but to me it also seems like a mistake. It is certainly a campaign that works at the expense of disabled folks, which I find shitty.

@naimoe they seem to have a consensus for conditional reproductive rights, yes.

i am for unconditional right of choice if people want to bear children or not. including anything they base their choice on.

@distelfliege @natanji Big thanks to you for being patient with me and for explaining 😃

@distelfliege okay, now: There is no “but” behind your sentence. They would have done a campaign in favor of unconditional abortion if they had a consensus on this. Full stop. That would mean no ableist campaign for a right to abort impaired foetuses.

(I hope this doesn’t sound ridiculing, I really try to understand you 🙂 and actually like this reasoning. I hope, I get you right now?)

@naimoe I'm can't say that, because I don't know it.
all I can say (and all I said) was, that within amnesty, it was not possible to reach a consensus for right of choice, for the reasons I have mentioned.

I didn't say that to justify ableism, I just thought I could give you some background/context of what might have played into it, that's all.

I agree with what natanji said, it may be a grasping at straws.

@naimoe could I ask you for a link to the campaign? I've done a search on amnesty's german website and found nothing recent about poland and abortions.. maybe their search feature is just really bad.

@distelfliege
https://www.amnesty.org/en/get-involved/take-action/help-women-and-girls-in-poland-fight-new-restrictions-on-abortion/

@naimoe merci!

@naimoe okay.. i read it and I agree with you that it's ableist to grant the right to abort fetuses on the grounds that they are severely disabled.

it's also very bigoted of conservative societies to shame people who want to abort severely disabled fetuses, while doing nothing against the toxic ableist social climate, while leaving care work to parents alone, while making disabled people's lives hard, and dismantling vital healthcare systems.

they should not force people to give birth, they should instead assure people that they and their future kids are supported and accepted, no matter what.

@distelfliege I see no justification of ableism in your toot 🙂 and am sorry I didn’t put it like “they might have…” I didn’t think you were stating a fact of how this campaign was planned.