@sydneyfalk
That's reasonable

Personally I'm more worried about Congress and want to keep them occupied

@aprrrl @sydneyfalk As evidenced by Grampy McCai todayn, perhaps we get them to do group colouring, or playing bridge/canasta - maybe some shuffleboard, you know, keep them occupied. 😉

@aprrrl

Seven minutes at a time with Congress may be the best people can hope for. Might not seem like much, but it's certainly making them all come out of the woodwork, from what I've heard.

(I can't watch that shit directly, not -- not while it's happening, I'm gonna look for transcripts in a bit but -- while it's happening it's just too much raw too fast)

@sydneyfalk
And there are a bunch of specific bad things that seemed like lost causes that they haven't had time to do because of the constant circus

@aprrrl

> haven't had time to do because of the constant circus

I get this, like, painfully much.

But I think their perception is that Trump is the house that's got to be burned to prevent the fire spreading to other houses

and I'm not sure they're wrong :\

there's gonna be a lot of fallout, even if the Trump problem is fixed in some way and interference lines are countered/cut

@sydneyfalk
In any case, if the Rs want to go for impeachment and spend _their_ political resources, yeah it should happen

@sydneyfalk

Impeachment of Pence and Ryan would be delightful and I would LOVE it if there were evidence that convinced the Rs who have to vote for impeachment that they need to distance themselves from those two as well

I don't know of it yet

@aprrrl

I think that's the strategy, though. My two likeliest scenarios:

A: Impeach Trump ASAP, impeach Pence leisurely, as a "rest of the world, here's how we deal with people winning broken elections" (because the overall perception, AFAICT, is that Russian interference is a Real Thing and we have to 'win' a cold cyber race)

B: Impeach Trump ASAP, hold the threat of impeachment over Pence's head and screw with him via small significant leaks, make him play less hard

@sydneyfalk
I would love this. Impeachment takes a while -- maybe we can pick up seats at the midterm election and make it more likely to continue the impeachment enthusiasm beyond Trump

@aprrrl

and, of course, two disclaimers

1: I'm not a political analyst (is INAPA a thing?), I just hypothesize a lot about human behavior based on observation

2: Nothing says these techniques are all mutually exclusive at the element level, and I certainly hope they're not -- but I think they're dependent on how fast they can impeach Trump (or how rapidly he gets bored of all this shit and resigns, claiming "America's not so great', and buying an island for himself

@aprrrl

My next most likelies:

C: Trump impeached, they start working on the ones BENEATH Pence in the succession -- specifically to destroy 'backups' and make whoever's right under him as very-American-left D as possible, so that Pence is constantly WONDERING if they're going to impeach him and the stress drives him into hyperparanoia and ineffectiveness

D: Impeach Trump and then start pouring everything into the 2018 congress hopes, to block his shit truly hard