Are shampoo and body wash really that necessary? We did so long without it and yet it's a thing we're told we need to have otherwise we're disgusting. Yes washing and showering are necessary but with stuff that might be tampering with water cleanliness?

@ambyrb I'm pretty sure they are, you need to have _some_ kind of surfactant in the wash water otherwise all that shit just wants to stick on and water doesn't even wet it that much

@kara for hand washing I can see that, why not just use bar soap?