@kara for hand washing I can see that, why not just use bar soap?

@ambyrb natural soaps made from fatty acids tend to precipitate insoluble compounds ("soap scum") in tap water because of the presence of calcium and magnesium in the water, whereas synthetic detergents do not

@kara so as long as the synthetic material isn't anti bacterial things should be fine?

@paulfree14 That's how it's always portrayed as though. It's more an image problem. I'm at the point where I'm questioning not just the obvious systems around us but also the hidden ones such as around image and what we're told we need that we don't actually need

@ambyrb
...just from speaking from my experience....most being told is just nonsense. It just makes it feel true as most act as it would be.

...the most anoying thing I find that there are many others also questionizing status quo...but produce as an result often just non-sense that is distracting people, used to gain profit or a tool of control to be played against others.

see for example the rising alt-right

@paulfree14 ok

@paulfree14 that's a very good thing to keep in mind

@paulfree14 oh hands clearly, shampoo just seems like a waste of money and time, which in a shower is another waste of energy

@ambyrb
if it's a question of reducing bills, one can make it by oneself very cheap, though ordering the indicredience, rather then buying the small plastic pagadges.
(never did that by myself)

...or even with just taking what you gain from nature.
There are a couple of plants containing saponine.

@paulfree14 oh thanks