@bea @alyx oh yeah this happened to my brother yesterday. the creator's update fucked everything up

@bea check your Update History, see if it happened.

@alyx

@alyx I mean

I know why

@iliana @alyx lol your linux toots are always the fuckin coldest iliana

@bea @alyx ^_^;

@iliana @bea i chose to interpret it as a neutral non-burn so i sleep a little better

@alyx @iliana I took it as a burn against Linux not you

@bea @alyx (yeah it’s a linux burn)

@iliana @bea (oic)

i do need to be sick-burned myself sometimes though, lest i get too high on my own bullshit

@alyx @bea gods, same

@alyx nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@alyx i've asked myself that a lot ever since i upgraded to 10. the problems with linux are different but not necessarily better.

so far the bullshit scales are still slightly tipped in favor of windows but we'll see how long that lasts.

@matt mm. my main reason is gaming NOT THAT I PLAY MUCH ANYMORE.

i understand that you can do some sort of (is it even emulation? i don't mean WINE) GPU passthrough in Linux that lets you run WIndows games at only a small performance hit. sounded tricky to setup though.

@alyx @matt do you mean the gallium-nine thing that implements direct3d on mesa? er, i guess that involves wine... oh, like running a Windows VM with a virtualized GPU that passes stuff through to the host's GL?

@lifning @matt yes, the latter. there's a subreddit for it i think.

@matt @lifning here's that subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO

@alyx sometimes I'm like "why don't i switch to win7" cause boy howdy does w10 try to do things behind your back

@Triplefox yeah.

W7 is just too creaky for me though. W10 has various performance / tech advantages. W7 lacks DX12 too.

@alyx yeah this is actually awful and the way to prevent it isn't too intuitive

though I've never had it reboot in the middle of me actually being at the computer, it happens when I sleep usually

you can also set "Active hours" during which it will definitely not reboot for updates (for a maximum of 18 hours)

mine are set to 09:00-00:00

@staticsafe yeah, i've been around this block so that's why today's reboots surprised me

i had it licked on my last install, i think i ultimately disabled the windows update service. it still bothered me with an unavoidable pop-up windows 1-2 times a day, but at least it never installed anything until i told it to.

@staticsafe ALTHOUGH my "active hours" are set from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. and this nvidia thing happened during the day. i have no explanation.

@alyx yeah I don't either

GPU driver updates don't even need a reboot on Windows so that makes it even weirder

like the nvidia installer just unloads the current driver and then loads in the new one

though I use GeForce Experience to update nvidia drivers, Windows Update doesn't touch those

@staticsafe no gfx driver reboot? that's weird to me, thought they were essential. but then i never did it through GFE, which i don't install since they made it more invasive last year

anyway, i clearly have some websearchin' to do

@staticsafe see how i didn't say googling?

@alyx yeah you can try it by downloading the nvidia driver installer from their website and running it

it's kinda a impressive process

a word of warning though, I would close things like Chrome or Firefox that have GPU acceleration code before doing so as they don't react well to the driver just disappearing on them

@staticsafe my procedure is reboot to safe mode, run Display Driver Uninstaller, reboot, install from downloaded file before W10 goes and does something stupid

@staticsafe that's how the graphics otaku at guru3d always say you need to do it, anyway

as someone who's very anti-software cruft it feels right

@alyx that procedure shouldn't harm anything but it does feel a tad excessive

if you manually install a newer version of a driver over one that Windows provided, it knows not to touch it again

@staticsafe oh just to be clear Display Driver Uninstaller is a third-party application, not the gfx driver's uninstaller

https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=925

it aims to obliterate everything before you add a new driver

@staticsafe so here's possibly the only working method to prevent W10 doing non-con driver updates

it's a complete hack

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/5tkrw5/how_to_actually_prevent_forced_nvidia_updates_on/

i am wondering why this didn't seem to happen to me over the last year of running W10. maybe i just didn't notice it updating...

@alyx Microsoft quietly announce the rebranding of their venerable NT marque. All products to now now carry the WindowsED brand. Industry pundits unsurprised.