Taking a quick survey for a "friendly discussion" elsewhere:

If modern masculinity remained exactly the same, except that it totally abandoned the elements of degradation of women, bullying, abuse, and exploitation...

...and focused on, say, Doing Bold Physical Things Outdoors With Other Manly People, Cultivating A Masterful And Gentlemanly Mustachio, and Pugilizing Consensually With Other Likely Young Lads...

...would you be okay with it and drop all grievances against it?

@zebratron2084 HELL YES. :D

I love those aspects of masculinity and strive to demonstrate some of them as part of my own identity. ^^

@mawr @zebratron2084 I'd love to do outdoorsy stuff with you

@Ulfra_Wolfe @zebratron2084 I'm down! :D

@mawr @Ulfra_Wolfe @zebratron2084 I almost feel like this is something I could enjoy again, now that I've got a job that keeps me in better shape, but on the other hand, now that I have such a job, I want to spend my off hours sitting or lying down :p