@eden you can grep -r from within vim. it's just as convenient (if not more, because you don't have to use a mouse).

@eden sorry, I'm probably being annoying. .-. (but I despise MS.)

@SoniEx2 nah you're cool. :) like I said, I don't like 'em either.

I really want to learn emacs tbh, but I find it so stressful learning a new way of typing/using a program like that. I've tried 3 or 4 times but like eventually I stopped because of all the bindings I kept messing up just to do basic things.

@eden get DroidVim and a git client (pick your favorite) on your phone. you'll learn vim (at least the basics) in a month. print out a visual cheatsheet for it.

the same could be done for emacs, probably, but I personally can't stand the pinky usage.

(only mildly annoying thing with vim is when you start typing but you're not in insert mode. it's usually not a big deal tho so it doesn't bother me much.)

@eden (I wonder, do they make emacs keyboards? those would probably help with the pinky usage...)

@eden anyway whatever you use, just act like it's a standard editor with syntax highlighting. if you need something more advanced (delete a whole line, repeat a task, etc) you look it up when you need it. worked for me, at least.

@eden (that also goes for pretty much anything you wanna do: start with the very basics. wanna make an IRC lib? DON'T start trying to make an RFC 1459 (or w/e) lib. start with something that just sends PING replies, then start parsing commands and stuff.)

@eden (but maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by bindings)

@eden (in any case, don't learn any)

@eden (also I still use arrow keys with vim)

@eden (also... I'll just stop talking, I'm sorry)

@SoniEx2 So my issue with emacs was that I wanted to set it up with Clojure, so I needed several packages.

I also was on Mac, and Clojure's app for Emacs was unstable for Mac at the time, so I had to vary between installing things, uninstalling other attempts, and actually using it.

And then opening different 'windows' alongside REPLs to edit broke me. :')

I think all the bindings were
Install
Swap to REPL
Swap to edit screen 1
Swap to edit screen 2
regex find
delete line

@eden When I use vim for rust, all I do is `:!cargo build` and it builds stuff for me. I deliberately don't use auto-complete, build integration is unnecessary, etc. I tend to go for the bare minimum because it's easier that way, but it's a matter of personal preference I guess.

@SoniEx2 Huh. I do use VC's autocheck stuff to manage errors, is there any equivalent or do I just have to go back to build -> read error messages -> rewrite?

@eden I'm pretty sure there *is* a linter plugin for vim, I just don't use it.

@SoniEx2 Do you know if you can use it for BitBucket? I'll probably end up using it for work if so :)

@eden how do you mean? you can type git commands (any commands, really) straight up on vim (I think DroidVim has a paid extension for git, too? I wouldn't recommend serious dev work on a phone tho, not even with a big screen.)

@SoniEx2 I was thinking of using it to scroll commits and approve/deny/revert tbh, but I am clearly not awake bcos I could just do that in any terminal. I think I just got thrown by your saying git and then thought of my git pipeline stuff :')

But yeah, I might use it to read/edit commits from people.