NerdResa @NerdResa@witches.town

@Icarus I don't think that's a good justification and I'm not convinced there can be a valid excuse for this behavior. Even if it isn't directed at me, it gives me the impression of "This is how we communicate here" and thus "This would happen to me, too".

I haven't heard about other devs yet, just that the culture is toxic, which sounds pretty on point so far, sadly.
Counterexamples are very much appreciated though.

@kurtm @phessler
Reading this again, I have some questions:
1. What's the benefit in having a unified system? Assuming this means it's all developed by the same people, I thought diversity was better?
2. How does OpenBSD approach new features, e.g. in networking?
3. Do OpenBSD devs participate in standardization, e.g. in the IETF?

Would be awesome to get some input on that. Thanks! :)

@Icarus I'd prefer a culture where people are not insulted when they're trying to contribute (or otherwise). You can say "Sorry, not good enough, here's our guidelines" without being mean.
Also a good way of having discussion and dealing with conflict (productive, not destructive) would be nice.

@sina Sorry if not helpful, but there's a Mastodon developer and admin Discord channel which you can get access to e.g. by donating to the project. https://www.patreon.com/mastodon

@gracie Meh, I'm sorry. I understand the thing about academic culture, I sometimes have a hard time with it, too. Thankfully in computer networking we do have some women, like my prof. Apparently we have enough to make lists of them :) http://n2women.comsoc.org/10-women-in-networkingcommunications-that-you-should-know/
They're not doing low-level FLOSS though. Seems to be like the final frontier…? :o
@stsp

@stsp
I see, thanks for the information :)
I'm always interested in these diversity aspects, but mostly out of curiosity. I can deal with male-dominated tech environments well and I have for about 10 years now. Price of going for the low-level and "hardcore technical" stuff, I figured… but I'd still be happy to see some change :)
@gracie

@mpts I see :) I might give it a try at some point. Thanks for the input! @phryk

@steelman I see :) Thanks for the advice.

@gracie But anyway, yea, focusing on user space instead was also an idea I had. There's lots of interesting stuff there too and as far as I've seen, the culture is less shitty, though still very male-dominated.

@gracie Argh, TCP needs to change but not IP of course ^^;

@gracie I was actually talking about the kernel here though :)
Like implementations of protocols such as TCP and IP, which need to be changed for e.g. MPTCP to work, as far as I know. Also, implementing an alternative to the Socket API without building on top of BSD sockets is probably tough… isn't it? (I'd love it if you proved me wrong here :) )

@kurtm @phessler I recognize this is at most half-serious, but what metrics are you applying? :)

@Nihl I see :) Thanks for the advice!

@Nihl What's the difference between the two, more technological or more cultural?

@phessler I see.

Recently I've heard that Linux (the project) is also not that welcoming towards new features, like MPTCP becoming part of the mainline kernel.
Can you confirm that?