A random thought I had: Perhaps the culture wars are actually natural and necessary. Or are they unnatural and dangerous? Any thoughts? :/
@Angle The other thing to ponder is that wars, traditionally, caused fairly significant resource allocation due to war deaths.
I *would* say that our culture wars have, as one of their factors, our absolute suppression of risk in our economy. Not only GFC, but the mentality which made it possible means that there's few corrective outlets and there are few feedback loops. And that's... terrifying.
@Angle While it's dangerous to look at history and go "Well, that happened then, so that will happen now." Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialisation we can see the range and look at wars during that time and go "huh."
The *other* thing we can look at is the family structure changes and the urbanisation changes and go ... "huh."
Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution there are some interesting date parallels (and my colleagues in my department would start shouting now)
@Angle But, from a philosophy of tech standpoint: new techniques *and* new tools are a hallmark of a (::grumble::) paradigm shift (sorry Kuhn), and represent a break from normal science. That break, in science, is achieved through the retirement or death of those "elder scientists" who defend (quite ably) the old paradigm.
@Angle We can look at culture conflict in ... a ... .. we can be inspired by that when we look at cultural conflict. And we can see with tech that the old modes of fact-generation are not effective at explaining the world.
At which point we can say "Well... shit". And have a drink.
@Angle s/tech/science/ ... ... and my use of techniques and tools for using them is... completely wrong... and I'm worthless.
Ignore me.
@DenubisX I found it interesting. XD
@Angle I suppose I think they're natural and dangerous? I think these disputes are the consequences of obsolete survival mechanisms resulting from 65 million years of evolutionary success but
I also think they're /obsolete/. I think there are superior solutions to these kinds of problems and we just don't know better to have proven one dependable yet.
@Angle i feel like it's likely to happen, but it depends on the culture? Like if both cultures are close, or if one/both of them have tolerance as an important element?
But whatever happens, I think nowadays, with social studies and maybe the internet (as a mean of sharing knowledge) we should be able to avoid it or stop it. But I don't know if any protocol has been made or at least let itself known for that.
@Angle and if both culture are going to share a space whether they want it or not, it's definitely dangerous
I should note, by culture wars, I did not actually mean violent conflicts. I just meant the general process of arguing over culture. My apologies for the confusion. XD
@Angle ah well, I tend to think one can lead to the other through systemic oppressions
@Angle mm. natural is a kinda loaded word. they are an expected consequence of... the whole situation with increasing polarization and bubbles and tribalism and so on?
idk if i'm pointing at the right thing
politic, ideology, culture wars Afficher plus
@Angle Or “natural and dangerous”, or “unnatural and necessary”. Or some blend of all. Personally I think natural and dangerous; that is, just because it is systematically likely to happen, does not mean we need to do it.
@Angle I would certainly assert they're natural. (See the conflicts at the age of steam). I would assert they're dangerous. Necessary is a big word though, and I'm going to say "very human" instead.