@woozle @jjg @Laurelai @shellkr For myself, I'm an American. I'm not really familiar with the Scandinavian welfare models other than that I've heard they're generally pretty good. I am familiar with the american welfare system and the constant cries for cuts and demonization of "welfare queens" and all that jazz. as for examples, I agree its important to look at bad ones just so you can avoid having them happen.