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@AliceinCrystalTokyo I am very amused at how alkeen turned to agni in Nöyrwa, because that means "fire" in Sanskrit :eo_smile_cat: (Láníg is also amusing thanks to arriving at ayin!)

Curious what phonemes are represented by ë and ö; assuming the circumflexes are either "extra long" or perhaps tones?

@Qwyrdo I didn't know about Sanskrit haha^^ Yeah, I wanted a metathesis somewhere so Old Nöyrwa *akin became Middle Nöyrwa *akni, thus eventually turning into *agni in Modern Nöyrwa; and the Láníg word has developped the 3 (the voiced pharyngeal fricative) where Proto-Nīkema had a word-initial glottal stop. I wanted Láníg to be sorta the "odd one out" even though in my mind it's supposed to be closely related to Nīgem (which you can see when comparing "dö" to "dój")^^

ë is a schwa and ö is either /œ/ or /ø/. It's something I've almost always used and it's standard Næçmarö orthography (and they're supposed to be the ones that reconstructed Proto-Nīkema^^)

@Qwyrdo oh I forgot to adress the circumflexes lmao, yeah that's how you mark long vowels in Yôkertâno (equivalent to the ¯ in other languages); as for tones there's only Dēlan that has a pitch accent, Nīgem has two tones (high and low) that aren't marked, and Láníg has two tones as well but they're marked (the á and í are high, dój has a high tone and 3yin has a low tone)
I'm not super good at tones so I usually avoid them; what I'll do most of the time is set a stress on the first syllable and an additional stress on the third syllable given that it's not the final syllable of the word

@AliceinCrystalTokyo Tonogenesis is fascinating to me. That and the evolution of tone sandhi.

So far my conlangs have stayed away from it, but I'm pretty sure at least one branch of Cramarian languages I'm working on will develop tones. (Proto-Cramarian has a fairly large phonemic inventory, and it gleefully slaps consonants together into awkward clusters.)

@AliceinCrystalTokyo @Qwyrdo These are really beautiful. I have yet to wrap my head around tones myself. I'm trying to dip my toes into conlanging but I'm kinda nervous. How do I put it. I know I'll mess up and I'm okay with that, I'm just worry about an "Everything's ruined" mistake.
But proto -> Modern. Families. *whistles* these are inspiring. 😍

@Lapis @Qwyrdo ah I feel that, but you know, you can always come back to a conlang and fix it^^ The first drafts for Næçmarö are a fucking mess; the orthography made no sense, I didn't know half of the IPA I know now, there were so much incoherence in the grammar, etc. but even if it was months later, I could always re-open the document and rewrite, so I know it's easier said than done but really, don't be afraid to fuck up, even ruin everything, 'cause that's how you learn what works and what doesn't (and ofc keep on learning about linguistics, see what happens in natural languages, etc.)^^

@Qwyrdo @Lapis there were so many* incoherences* (I didn't know it was countable lol)

What @AliceinCrystalTokyo said :eo_cat: @Lapis

IME the two hardest things:

1) Deciding how you want a language to look & sound in the first place;

2) Being *consistent* within that framework. (Especially difficult for making daughter languages!)

You don't *have* to worry about details like morphosyntactic alignment unless you really want to.

It's like any creative project: just splatter ideas onto the page, then put the bits you like together :eo_smile_cat:

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